[19:44:17 14/11/10] blakesterville : This is showing the chat from days ago!
[19:44:27 14/11/10] blakesterville : I need to clear this!
[19:45:19 14/11/10] blakesterville : /clear
[19:45:45 14/11/10] blakesterville : /clear-
[19:46:11 14/11/10] blakesterville : /cls
[19:56:25 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : blakesterville: Only Chat ops can clear it. You need to change that setting in the admin panel
[19:56:49 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: I figured.
[19:57:07 14/11/10] blakesterville : Mayorm said that since I was an admin, that I could clear the chat and stuff. Apparently not.
[19:57:32 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Nope. You have to make yourself a Chat Mod
[19:57:53 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : You got the /clear command right tho
[19:58:17 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: I sucessfully created a plug-and play operating system.
[19:58:25 14/11/10] blakesterville : Or installed Ubuntu as one, at least.
[19:59:54 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I successfully created these tweaks here: https://i.servimg.com/u/f62/15/82/71/74/untitl21.jpg
[20:00:46 14/11/10] blakesterville : OK.
[20:01:05 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Nice
[20:01:06 14/11/10] blakesterville : You probably shouldn't delete the TEMP folder.
[20:01:17 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Not the TEMP folder, just all the files inside
[20:02:03 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I want a plug-n-play OS, just don't have a flash drive
[20:03:47 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Do you have an external hard drive anywhere?
[20:04:41 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : No
[20:05:37 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: 8 GB flash drives are availible for as little as $15 if you look hard enough. If you want to go and buy something, you should probably get an external hard drive, however.
[20:06:58 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, this computer shouldn't cave in until next year when I build mine. Then I'll buy one and use my W7 install CD and put it on there
[20:07:06 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Or do Ubuntu
[20:07:23 14/11/10] blakesterville : There is a way to try Ubuntu without installing it.
[20:07:34 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : how?
[20:07:38 14/11/10] blakesterville : You need to have a blank CD and a computer with a CD burner.
[20:07:57 14/11/10] blakesterville : Most computere made in the last several years should have a CD burner.
[20:08:40 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Is there a difference between a DVD and a CD? Cuz we only have blank DVDs
[20:09:05 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: You can use a blank DVD too.
[20:09:12 14/11/10] blakesterville : Do you have a DVD burner?
[20:09:42 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : On my computer I have a CD burner, but I don't think it has a DVD burner.
[20:11:55 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Is there any computer in the house that has a DVD burner?
[20:12:43 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : My dad has one, but he probably wouldn't let me do anything to it
[20:14:04 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Hmm... You don't happen to have any 1 GB USB drive anywhere?
[20:14:40 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : My mom has a flash drive.. somewhere
[20:16:56 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: you'll need to be able to burn to a blank CD or DVD, or something. Ubuntu has so called "live CDs" that you can download, and they allow you to boot directly from the CD and try the operating system.
[20:17:46 14/11/10] blakesterville : You can burn the image file directly to a CD or a DVD, but if you can't burn one, you might have to request one from Ubuntu and have one dilivered.
[20:17:55 14/11/10] blakesterville : delivered*
[20:18:57 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I may do that, I'll ask my uncle or aunt about it though, since this computer does belong to them, they are just letting me borow it
[20:19:02 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : *borrow
[20:23:14 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : https://i.servimg.com/u/f62/15/82/71/74/untitl22.jpg
[20:26:33 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: It's pronounced "oo-boon-too"
[20:26:39 14/11/10] blakesterville : It's weird.
[20:27:16 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Yeah, what about Linux?
[20:28:07 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: What do you mean?
[20:28:32 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : How is Linux pronounced?
[20:29:27 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Linux is pronouned "linix".
[20:30:35 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : ok ty
[20:31:02 14/11/10] blakesterville : The interesting thing about Linux is that there are hundreds of varieties of it (most of which are free) that you can try out. These are called "distributions". They usually vary in dramatic ways. Ubuntu is one of the more popular distribuitions, and it is easy for those switching from Windows.
[20:31:24 14/11/10] blakesterville : Ubuntu is perhaps one of the easiest distributions out there to use.
[20:31:41 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Have you tried OpenSuse yet? I've heard of it
[20:31:52 14/11/10] blakesterville : All distributions share the Linux kernel, but even graphical managers, control panels, etc... vary in dramatic ways.
[20:32:08 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: No, I haven't. I considered it, but I haven't tried it yet.
[20:32:48 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Is FreeBSD a distribution of Linux?
[20:35:11 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Since it does not share even the Linux kernel, it is not a version of Linux. It's a completely different operating system that many compare to Linux.
[20:36:50 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Oh
[20:37:24 14/11/10] blakesterville : You might have heard of UNIX. Unix preceded even Windows, and is generally a classification of kernels. Linux is considered a unix kernel, since it shares many of the properties of directly unix-based kernels. Linux's kernel was re-written, however. It was not based on Unix.
[20:37:42 14/11/10] blakesterville : freeBSD was based on Unix.
[20:38:49 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : OK. But Windows is a whole different story
[20:39:46 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Yeah. Windows was based on MS-DOS, and has been evolving for two decades. MS-DOS was based on "Q-DOS", which stands for "Quick and dirty operating system".
[20:42:49 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : "Micro Soft- Dirty Operating System?"
[20:43:59 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: I don't know what MSDOS stands for, but you might have it right.
[20:45:38 14/11/10] blakesterville : Apparently, IBM wanted a deal with Q-DOS, but the Q-DOS guy was flying a plane at the time the meeting was supposed to take place, and so IBM looked to Bill Gates instead. He modified Q-DOS and then the first version of MS-DOS was born.
[20:45:42 14/11/10] blakesterville : I think that's how it went.
[20:46:12 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Oh
[20:46:45 14/11/10] blakesterville : Later, OS2 was born, which was the first step to a graphical environment, but that was dropped. Years later, the first version of Windows was born, and that actually survived.
[20:47:01 14/11/10] blakesterville : And now we are at Windows 7.
[20:47:24 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, the first real operating system made by Windows was Win95, it was also the first one with a taskbar
[20:47:33 14/11/10] blakesterville : Windows is actually based on MSdos.
[20:47:39 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : What were the ones before Win95 called?
[20:48:15 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Windows 3.
[20:48:21 14/11/10] blakesterville : That was the first version.
[20:48:38 14/11/10] blakesterville : Actually, no. Windows 1 was the first version.
[20:48:42 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, I heard Millenium Edition and Vista were the worst Windows operating systems ever
[20:48:43 14/11/10] blakesterville : Then 2, then 3. I got it wrong.
[20:48:52 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Maybe.
[20:49:03 14/11/10] blakesterville : I hated Vista. I've never tried ME.
[20:49:14 14/11/10] blakesterville : I've used 98 before. It was crap.
[20:49:23 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Also Windows 98 wasn't to good either
[20:50:50 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Yeah
[20:51:12 14/11/10] blakesterville : Ubuntu can probably beat Windows XP, in my opinion.
[20:51:33 14/11/10] blakesterville : One thing I really wish they had was a Windows-7 style search feature.
[20:51:41 14/11/10] blakesterville : they = Ubuntu
[20:51:54 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I like XP, and I pretty much know it cold. As far as W7 goes on the other hand, it is just as good
[20:52:05 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I actually like XP better in some stuff
[20:52:44 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : But as far as XP and 7 go, I think no one is better than the other in the end.
[20:52:47 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: I loved XP. I still like it.
[20:53:01 14/11/10] blakesterville : I like 7 better because of the search feature.
[20:53:07 14/11/10] blakesterville : And stuff like that.
[20:53:49 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, I like XP because of the ease of use. It is easier to make changes, and I think W7's CP is lousy.
[20:53:52 14/11/10] blakesterville : And I like Ubuntu better because almost every Linux program is free and open-source. Seriously. Ubuntu even has a neat little program that allows you to search from availible programs and download them for free.
[20:53:54 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : CP=Control Pane;
[20:54:19 14/11/10] blakesterville : And... there is almost no need to worry about virusses.
[20:54:53 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : And W7 is better for Aero Peek, performance, and the file system structure.
[20:55:08 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Yeah, that's for sure.
[20:55:35 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : On W7 I have to go this far to get to my docs from my comptuer C:\Users\Name\Documents
[20:55:47 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : On XP C:\Documents and Settings\User\My Documents
[20:56:00 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : One folder less to navigate.
[20:56:21 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : But still, the file system structure is great on W7
[20:56:36 14/11/10] blakesterville : In Linux, you have a "home folder". Each user has one, and in there is your "Documents" folder as well as others. You can get to it fairly easily in most distributions, including Ubuntu.
[20:57:03 14/11/10] blakesterville : Other users can't access your home folder. Only system admins and you can access your home folder.
[20:57:26 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, the Windows Directory in W7 is C:\Windows, System Directory C:\Windows
[20:57:38 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : \System 32.
[20:57:44 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Chat is screwing up again
[20:58:44 14/11/10] blakesterville : Linux actually has a huge number of system directories. Each one for its own purpose. They use "/" instead of "C:" and inside "/" , one of the folders is called "home". In there is one folder per user, and that is a specific user's personal folder.
[21:00:10 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, what I like about W7 is the Libraries
[21:00:21 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : But you also have a My Docs folder As well as the Libraries
[21:00:29 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Yeah. That's a very cool part of W7.
[21:00:45 14/11/10] blakesterville : I need to go.
[21:00:48 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Bye
[21:00:54 14/11/10] blakesterville : bye
[21:02:28 14/11/10] blakesterville : You planning to post the chat log?
[21:03:11 14/11/10] blakesterville : Or should I?
[19:44:27 14/11/10] blakesterville : I need to clear this!
[19:45:19 14/11/10] blakesterville : /clear
[19:45:45 14/11/10] blakesterville : /clear-
[19:46:11 14/11/10] blakesterville : /cls
[19:56:25 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : blakesterville: Only Chat ops can clear it. You need to change that setting in the admin panel
[19:56:49 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: I figured.
[19:57:07 14/11/10] blakesterville : Mayorm said that since I was an admin, that I could clear the chat and stuff. Apparently not.
[19:57:32 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Nope. You have to make yourself a Chat Mod
[19:57:53 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : You got the /clear command right tho
[19:58:17 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: I sucessfully created a plug-and play operating system.
[19:58:25 14/11/10] blakesterville : Or installed Ubuntu as one, at least.
[19:59:54 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I successfully created these tweaks here: https://i.servimg.com/u/f62/15/82/71/74/untitl21.jpg
[20:00:46 14/11/10] blakesterville : OK.
[20:01:05 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Nice
[20:01:06 14/11/10] blakesterville : You probably shouldn't delete the TEMP folder.
[20:01:17 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Not the TEMP folder, just all the files inside
[20:02:03 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I want a plug-n-play OS, just don't have a flash drive
[20:03:47 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Do you have an external hard drive anywhere?
[20:04:41 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : No
[20:05:37 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: 8 GB flash drives are availible for as little as $15 if you look hard enough. If you want to go and buy something, you should probably get an external hard drive, however.
[20:06:58 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, this computer shouldn't cave in until next year when I build mine. Then I'll buy one and use my W7 install CD and put it on there
[20:07:06 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Or do Ubuntu
[20:07:23 14/11/10] blakesterville : There is a way to try Ubuntu without installing it.
[20:07:34 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : how?
[20:07:38 14/11/10] blakesterville : You need to have a blank CD and a computer with a CD burner.
[20:07:57 14/11/10] blakesterville : Most computere made in the last several years should have a CD burner.
[20:08:40 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Is there a difference between a DVD and a CD? Cuz we only have blank DVDs
[20:09:05 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: You can use a blank DVD too.
[20:09:12 14/11/10] blakesterville : Do you have a DVD burner?
[20:09:42 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : On my computer I have a CD burner, but I don't think it has a DVD burner.
[20:11:55 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Is there any computer in the house that has a DVD burner?
[20:12:43 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : My dad has one, but he probably wouldn't let me do anything to it
[20:14:04 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Hmm... You don't happen to have any 1 GB USB drive anywhere?
[20:14:40 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : My mom has a flash drive.. somewhere
[20:16:56 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: you'll need to be able to burn to a blank CD or DVD, or something. Ubuntu has so called "live CDs" that you can download, and they allow you to boot directly from the CD and try the operating system.
[20:17:46 14/11/10] blakesterville : You can burn the image file directly to a CD or a DVD, but if you can't burn one, you might have to request one from Ubuntu and have one dilivered.
[20:17:55 14/11/10] blakesterville : delivered*
[20:18:57 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I may do that, I'll ask my uncle or aunt about it though, since this computer does belong to them, they are just letting me borow it
[20:19:02 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : *borrow
[20:23:14 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : https://i.servimg.com/u/f62/15/82/71/74/untitl22.jpg
[20:26:33 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: It's pronounced "oo-boon-too"
[20:26:39 14/11/10] blakesterville : It's weird.
[20:27:16 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Yeah, what about Linux?
[20:28:07 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: What do you mean?
[20:28:32 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : How is Linux pronounced?
[20:29:27 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Linux is pronouned "linix".
[20:30:35 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : ok ty
[20:31:02 14/11/10] blakesterville : The interesting thing about Linux is that there are hundreds of varieties of it (most of which are free) that you can try out. These are called "distributions". They usually vary in dramatic ways. Ubuntu is one of the more popular distribuitions, and it is easy for those switching from Windows.
[20:31:24 14/11/10] blakesterville : Ubuntu is perhaps one of the easiest distributions out there to use.
[20:31:41 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Have you tried OpenSuse yet? I've heard of it
[20:31:52 14/11/10] blakesterville : All distributions share the Linux kernel, but even graphical managers, control panels, etc... vary in dramatic ways.
[20:32:08 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: No, I haven't. I considered it, but I haven't tried it yet.
[20:32:48 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Is FreeBSD a distribution of Linux?
[20:35:11 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Since it does not share even the Linux kernel, it is not a version of Linux. It's a completely different operating system that many compare to Linux.
[20:36:50 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Oh
[20:37:24 14/11/10] blakesterville : You might have heard of UNIX. Unix preceded even Windows, and is generally a classification of kernels. Linux is considered a unix kernel, since it shares many of the properties of directly unix-based kernels. Linux's kernel was re-written, however. It was not based on Unix.
[20:37:42 14/11/10] blakesterville : freeBSD was based on Unix.
[20:38:49 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : OK. But Windows is a whole different story
[20:39:46 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Yeah. Windows was based on MS-DOS, and has been evolving for two decades. MS-DOS was based on "Q-DOS", which stands for "Quick and dirty operating system".
[20:42:49 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : "Micro Soft- Dirty Operating System?"
[20:43:59 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: I don't know what MSDOS stands for, but you might have it right.
[20:45:38 14/11/10] blakesterville : Apparently, IBM wanted a deal with Q-DOS, but the Q-DOS guy was flying a plane at the time the meeting was supposed to take place, and so IBM looked to Bill Gates instead. He modified Q-DOS and then the first version of MS-DOS was born.
[20:45:42 14/11/10] blakesterville : I think that's how it went.
[20:46:12 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Oh
[20:46:45 14/11/10] blakesterville : Later, OS2 was born, which was the first step to a graphical environment, but that was dropped. Years later, the first version of Windows was born, and that actually survived.
[20:47:01 14/11/10] blakesterville : And now we are at Windows 7.
[20:47:24 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, the first real operating system made by Windows was Win95, it was also the first one with a taskbar
[20:47:33 14/11/10] blakesterville : Windows is actually based on MSdos.
[20:47:39 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : What were the ones before Win95 called?
[20:48:15 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Windows 3.
[20:48:21 14/11/10] blakesterville : That was the first version.
[20:48:38 14/11/10] blakesterville : Actually, no. Windows 1 was the first version.
[20:48:42 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, I heard Millenium Edition and Vista were the worst Windows operating systems ever
[20:48:43 14/11/10] blakesterville : Then 2, then 3. I got it wrong.
[20:48:52 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Maybe.
[20:49:03 14/11/10] blakesterville : I hated Vista. I've never tried ME.
[20:49:14 14/11/10] blakesterville : I've used 98 before. It was crap.
[20:49:23 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Also Windows 98 wasn't to good either
[20:50:50 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Yeah
[20:51:12 14/11/10] blakesterville : Ubuntu can probably beat Windows XP, in my opinion.
[20:51:33 14/11/10] blakesterville : One thing I really wish they had was a Windows-7 style search feature.
[20:51:41 14/11/10] blakesterville : they = Ubuntu
[20:51:54 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I like XP, and I pretty much know it cold. As far as W7 goes on the other hand, it is just as good
[20:52:05 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : I actually like XP better in some stuff
[20:52:44 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : But as far as XP and 7 go, I think no one is better than the other in the end.
[20:52:47 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: I loved XP. I still like it.
[20:53:01 14/11/10] blakesterville : I like 7 better because of the search feature.
[20:53:07 14/11/10] blakesterville : And stuff like that.
[20:53:49 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, I like XP because of the ease of use. It is easier to make changes, and I think W7's CP is lousy.
[20:53:52 14/11/10] blakesterville : And I like Ubuntu better because almost every Linux program is free and open-source. Seriously. Ubuntu even has a neat little program that allows you to search from availible programs and download them for free.
[20:53:54 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : CP=Control Pane;
[20:54:19 14/11/10] blakesterville : And... there is almost no need to worry about virusses.
[20:54:53 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : And W7 is better for Aero Peek, performance, and the file system structure.
[20:55:08 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Yeah, that's for sure.
[20:55:35 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : On W7 I have to go this far to get to my docs from my comptuer C:\Users\Name\Documents
[20:55:47 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : On XP C:\Documents and Settings\User\My Documents
[20:56:00 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : One folder less to navigate.
[20:56:21 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : But still, the file system structure is great on W7
[20:56:36 14/11/10] blakesterville : In Linux, you have a "home folder". Each user has one, and in there is your "Documents" folder as well as others. You can get to it fairly easily in most distributions, including Ubuntu.
[20:57:03 14/11/10] blakesterville : Other users can't access your home folder. Only system admins and you can access your home folder.
[20:57:26 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, the Windows Directory in W7 is C:\Windows, System Directory C:\Windows
[20:57:38 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : \System 32.
[20:57:44 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Chat is screwing up again
[20:58:44 14/11/10] blakesterville : Linux actually has a huge number of system directories. Each one for its own purpose. They use "/" instead of "C:" and inside "/" , one of the folders is called "home". In there is one folder per user, and that is a specific user's personal folder.
[21:00:10 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Well, what I like about W7 is the Libraries
[21:00:21 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : But you also have a My Docs folder As well as the Libraries
[21:00:29 14/11/10] blakesterville : Joshriddle_1234: Yeah. That's a very cool part of W7.
[21:00:45 14/11/10] blakesterville : I need to go.
[21:00:48 14/11/10] Joshriddle_1234 : Bye
[21:00:54 14/11/10] blakesterville : bye
[21:02:28 14/11/10] blakesterville : You planning to post the chat log?
[21:03:11 14/11/10] blakesterville : Or should I?